Jeff Booher is a triathlon coach who specialises in custom designed training programs. He works with all levels of triathletes from age groupers to professionals. He also leads a coaching team of 15 Tridot certified coaches who work with hundreds of athletes all over the world.
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Brenton Ford: Welcome to another episode of the Effortless Swimming podcast. Today’s guest is Jeff Booher from Tridot. This is the episode about smarter training programs. Jeff is a triathlon coach who specialises in custom designed training programs and he works with all levels of triathletes from age groupers to professionals. He leads a coaching team of 15 Tridot certified coaches who work with hundreds of athletes all over the world. Welcome to the podcast Jeff.
Jeff Booher: Thank you very much Brent. It is great to be here.
Brenton Ford: Thanks for coming on. Let’s get straight into it and if you could just give me a quick background into what Tridot is and how it came to be.
Jeff Booher: Sure. That is a great way to start. I think a lot of the things I will chat about a little later are from a different perspective than most people that are listening have come from before. I would like to say that I was a world champion triathlete or world renowned coach and came up with this great idea. Actually I was just a young dad, wife three kids and I wanted to excel at the sport. I didn’t want to do that at the expense of my career and my family for the rest of my life. Very early on I got into the sport or triathlon and wanted to do the best that I could and wanted to do. I realised that I needed to learn more, it didn’t want to get injured I had so many friends that were getting injured; training budding who were so consumed with the sport that they were getting divorced and all this crazy stuff was taking its toll. I literally went out and just devourer every training resource I could find. I was reading the books, webinars everything that I could find. I actually got certified in the US, a UST certified coach and got multiple levels there and cycling certification. I had no intention even at that time of coaching anyone else, I was just purely selfish and wanted to learn and do the best job that I could. Quickly I became frustrated with the chaos that was out there. There was so much conflicting and bias; one expert would say one thing, one expert would say something totally differently it didn’t make sense. They had a bunch of theories and principals and philosophies everyone had a different one; yet they were all expert but they did not all agree. Basically it got down to the point where I found two categories of training solutions out there. There was the cookie cutter approach the one size fits all; you might have a beginner, intermediate and an advanced plan. You would buy it; there is no athlete data considered in developing those plans. Then there are some other ones that I call guess work, I now call guess work plans. They have a lot of data done by an expert highly educated coach but that coach doesn’t have a lot of data/a lot of athletes. They are working with a handful of athletes all of the athletes are different. I thought this is just impossible to draw conclusions with 20, 30, 40 athletes and each one being different. I noticed that none of them were using and kind of repeatable methodology or process; they weren’t measuring things. I got a little frustrated that they had a lot of data but it was just snap shot data; it was a power metre file from yesterday’s race but nothing that showed a cause and effect relationship. Nothing that showed me as an athlete in my early 30’s what training I should do to achieve these outcomes. Everything was just theory and every single one of them sounded good but I knew they couldn’t all be true.
I set out on a mission at that point and I just knew that there had to be a better way to train. I have a systems engineer background and database in technology so I started thinking and studying and I just didn’t want to leave my performance to guess work. I started studying and looking at things and looked for patterns and relationships and over time it would ultimately become the Tridot training system. It was selfish at first but as it began to develop and I began to see the application to other athletes I began to invest in technology and process and research to find algorithm in order to do that.
Basically in a nutshell Tridot starts with a normalised process for measuring assessments. So your swim, bike and run; you are not looking at my last performance that I did better on where I was ranked in the top 50 for my age group, or top 15 for my age group for a run and I was on the podium for the bike. So you are not making these arbitrary subjective evaluations of your performance. Instead I have a scale of 0-85 so on the 0 end is someone who can barely move; very much a beginner. 85 would be world class performance; on that scale for the swim, bike and run are all measured and you do an assessment and it gives you a score on each one. From there we are not only able to determine which is your strength and which is your weakness but we can tell by how much. We can tell degrees of training focus that we need to shift. When we take into account your other athlete parameters your height, weight, body composition and age we can start further predicting what kind of training is going to produce what kind of results for that athlete and how much those results are going to turn into race day time gains. Going further into measuring workload the composition of the sub session level; how do you quantify that? How do you manage it during the week or over a series of weeks? How is that different to stress? Then developing algorithms into larger program design to where you are taking the athletes characteristics and performance data and pulling it together in a methodical way so that you are able to reproduce the same results for the same type of athletes. Then building in a dynamic feedback loop to where you are taking those race results and assessments throughout training and able to pull that back in and further modify and enhance and improve the system itself. I know there is a quote out there from Lord Kelvin; he said “if it is not measured, it can’t be improved”. I first said if it can’t be defined it can’t be measured so we started just by defining and then further honing it. Tridot today is what it is because of the results that it has actually produced for athletes and it continues to be improved with every single athlete that goes through the system.
Brenton Ford: I love that approach that you use in a very data driven approach and scientific approach. If you look at the top, coming from my background, the top swimmers, the Olympians they are all using the video feedback? In terms of their race pacing and things like that, they will look at what their split up to the 50m mark, what was their split in and out of the flags and it is all very data driven and very scientific. You are doing the same thing to triathlons which I think is a really good way to go.
The reason why I wanted to interview you on the podcast was because we have a very similar philosophy and that is about training smarter rather than training harder. There is nothing wrong with training hard you obviously need to do that but there are a lot of athletes out there who can push themselves hard in training but can forget about the approach of just being smarter with your training. Changing your sessions so they are specific and training in the right training zones.
What are some of the common training myths that you hear out there?
Jeff Booher: There are a lot of them, one of the things that you just mentioned a second ago with the video feedback and with technique work you see this all the time. You are able to look exactly at what an athlete should do in the water or a run form and you can compare to a definite right and definite wrong; here is something to fix. With training for fitness you don’t have that visibility. Some of those myths out there with the increased visibility that we have been able to see are things like intensity that you mentioned before; no pain no gain if I work harder I am going to improve. Just by working harder and giving more effort and intensity that is going to increase the results. There is actually a point at which you have to work harder; training isn’t an easy for sure but there is an inverse relationship between increased stress and the higher intensity and longer duration. So each incremental or marginal benefit to perform better or to improve that starts to diminish the harder you go but the risk of injury goes up. That first thing; there are certain thresholds that exist for each person, it is different per person. You mentioned training zones and that is one of the metrics that are out there is you have these zones based on max heart rate or functional threshold heart rate where a number of different ways of calculating this threshold intensity. People have a good concept of knowing they need to vary it up to some degree but what they don’t know is where that threshold is, how much of the intensity I should do. How much of each intensity is beneficial and not just in one session but over the course of the week. So you find people just working as hard as they can; they think the more pain and more I can put myself through. The more I can punish my body and the more my body is able to suffer and endure, that means the better I will do on race day. That is just completely not true, so when they try to work smarter often times they don’t know what smarter looks like, it is guessing. They know they are looking for something but they don’t have any metrics there to work. That is really one of the second myths that a lot of the metrics they find in absence of meaningful metrics. We all do we start to assign meaning to metrics that exist so if you can’t explain why something happens you look at the things you can observe and you try to attach meaning to those. You find a lot of athletes who are driven to look at weekly mileage thinking I need to get my weekly mileage to X to km’s. Your training hours is another thing, I need to do x number of hours per week, I need to spend more time in the pool; so they will go and jump in for another45 minutes to get to this arbitrary number of hours or distance. When those things don’t matter if those things are just incident and happen because you are doing smart purposeful training then they are what they are. Another thing is sessions per week; I need to get 5 runs in. Something of this magic about five runs, not the purpose behind those five runs. Each one of those is purposeful if you are benefiting from each one of those then they are good things to do. If that total 20 hours a week so be it, if it is 10 hours a week so be it. Those thresholds are what the meaningful metrics are and what the sessions are comprised of and the total distance, time of duration all of those things. Another one that is very common is just the fact that more is better. So not so much the intensity but volume, period. Base training when you talk about a periodised approach so athletes will say I need to be purposeful so I need to have these periods during my season and base has come to me for many athletes, just high volume. A tonne of volume during that period which is one of the worst things that you can do. For a lot of athletes who need to develop they spend, especially long runs and swims, for athletes that are slower runners often in a base period they will run a marathon and try to do these long runs to improve their run ability. What they end up doing is training themselves to run very slow, they are generally heavier it is not the pro’s that are doing this. It is the heavier athletes, the ones that have poor run form. A good age grouper can maintain good running form for 40-60 minutes, and then the form starts breaking down over time. So doing these consistently long runs is teaching their body to run slow, they are teaching themselves most of the time when they’re running to run with bad form. They are introducing way more stress on their body than they would if they had shorter runs then we would teach them to run faster. We found that looking at all of these different areas about these myths that athletes are wasting about 40% of their total training time is non-productive. Either the harm from it, the stress from it they are not recovering or it is not even stimulating the response they are trying to achieve. On the Tridot system athletes are able to produce better performance gains on 20%-30% fewer training hours. Those myths really add up when you start in bedding those principles or philosophies that are just educated guesses into how you build your training plan.
Brenton Ford: Absolutely. One of the things like working harder or doing more hours training, one of the things that reminds me of; I think it was about 30 years ago with swimmers at least they were told to not drink during training because it would help them improve it would help them get tougher. Essentially they would be de-hydrating themselves over an hour, two hours and not being able to drink so their performance would just drop. It is one of those things that were done a number of years ago but coaches and athletes are now switching onto these smarter training programs and being specific with what they are doing.
Leading into that what do you think are some of the key components to the intentional type of training that you are talking about?
Jeff Booher: I think everybody out there is intentional. They are not doing things by accident, it is not oops I just ran a 10km it is deliberate in what they are doing. It is just the degree to which they are intentional. You can have intentional activities but I am talking more about the outcome; knowing that activity is going to lead to that outcome. The cause and effect is what I am talking about, the intentionality rather than a trial and error. I am sampling someone else’s workout or here is what worked for this athlete let’s try this… That’s what I am talking about not the trial and error approach but I know what the outcome is going to come from this type of training. Some of the things that are necessary for that to happen; one is to define things. To have that definition and standardisation and be able to know specifically what are you tracking and what are you managing. The incorporation of athlete data, the measurement of workload, the measurement of intervals within a set. How long they should be, how long should the rest be, how intense should the rest be complete rest or not complete rest? Being able to measure that at the sub session level plus the weekly and monthly or monocycle level. What is being measured and how that is being defined.
Next is beyond definition and the measurement of that and how it is managed. What are those thresholds over time that you don’t pass, how much difference does it make? If you have a 50 year old athlete versus a 30 year old athlete what changes? What do you manage differently and by how much? Is it the same for every discipline or is it different with every discipline?
Some of the things cycling for example don’t have the same changes over time as you age. Athletes lose some muscle mass but if they keep working out as they get older they can retain that muscle mass and loose bone density more quickly so it impacts older athletes on the run than on the bike or the swim. How do you manage those and what are those thresholds and where do they come from. To get to some of those things one of the things that you have to have is repeatability. You have to have a methodical approach and go through certain steps, you come back to that quote “if it is not measureable it is not improvable” If you are not measuring these things and doing something in a progressive or a certain fashion every single time you are not able to tell what change. There are too many dynamic variables and you can’t attribute an outcome to a cause.
The last thing that you need is data; from a homogenous population you have to have a basis or a control set. You have to say when these training variables were applied to 50 different athletes that meet the same criteria what happened? That’s where I never found that when I was first starting out, no one could ever produce enough of the same athletes that they treated and trained in the same way. Everything changed, the athletes changed the methodology changed, and the metrics they were trying to use changed or didn’t exist so there was never a way that they could actually attribute a specific training technique to a specific athlete or circumstance or activity.
Brenton Ford: I was listening to the radio yesterday and they were interviewing an AFL (Australian Football over here) he was talking about football players being in the system. It sound very similar to what you are talking about having a system, like the Tridot system for example, where you can plug in your numbers and going through the system will produce a training program that will spit out this result. That is a system that all the AFL players go through. Personally myself you like to win some training sessions and things like that and sometimes you want to have that excitement of not knowing exactly what you will go; whether you go this time or knock it out of the park and go faster. Going through a specific training and plan it can really produce better results than if you are winging.
What are some of the advantages of having a personalised training program for you?
Jeff Booher: Basically it is better performance results, fewer injuries and more enjoyment of sport. It makes all the difference in the world. I like the comparison if you are cooking a casserole and you stick it in the oven and ask you give me instructions on cooking a casserole. How long do you put it in there, how hot do you turn the oven, do cool in there or do you take it out? If I asked you what are those instructions for a casserole you would have no idea. You know it gets hot, you know it cooks for a while. But it just depends on what is in the casserole and what is it made of, how much of it is there and what are the different elements that are in there. The type of dish, how big the oven is all of those things matter because there are laws in physics that apply across the board, it is not subjective they always apply. Our bodies in training for a triathlon is much more complex than cooking a casserole but the same truths hold; there is physiological laws in physics and things that happen chemically to our body that make us respond or not in different fashions. When you are looking at a personalised plan you have to realise that the specific training produces specific results and it does it over and over. Specific training produces specific results; random training produces random results which can include no results at all or injury. The more specific you can be the more known’s you can have going into a training program when you are designing it the better. A lot of athletes will just use an arbitrary progressive overload approach, so they will just run 4 miles this week and 4.5 the next and then 5 and then 6 and they just add up to particular race distance. Or they try from a progressive overload intensity or just run faster and try to bump up the pace every so often. Going back to the myths, or more; they just try to run longer for a longer duration. That would equivalent to going back to the casserole analogy in saying hey I want to improve faster so I am just going to turn the oven hotter. It will cook faster if I just turn it up to 900 degrees. On the flip side hey lets cook it at 200 and I will just leave it in there all day long. Everything that you, sticking something in an oven it is going to get hotter, you are going to have some gain some improvement in performance. At the end of the day just like with cooking something it might not cook at all, it may be partially raw or it may be burnt and charred. You don’t know what you are going to get unless you consider what is in the oven. You have to consider those things; the training variables, the main ones intensity, duration, frequency, sequence and technique. Those things need to be managed and manipulated for every single training session across a week or mesocycle. When you are doing each one of those you need to also consider for every athletes performance level; gender, age, their weight, body composition, sport age, training background, developmental stage, hour available to training and the list goes on. Those are the main ones and when you apply it, if you think you are designing a training program for someone to run a half marathon and they run a 22minute 5km. You are going to make it that level is you start designing the program. You might decide that it would be intermediate, but how different that training can be depends on that individual. If that individual that you are deciding that for is a 22 year old former cross country runner who weighs 150 pounds that is not a very good time. They have a whole lot of potential for improvement; their training should look certain why when you start building that out. If you take that same result the 22 minute 5km and how you are going to train a 55 year old man that weighs 240 pounds that is an exception 5km. There is probably not a lot of room for improvement there and at that age and weight a whole lot of extra training is going to introduce a lot more trauma than the benefit than that athlete would ever receive. Just one little variable difference, basically weight, age and composition makes an enormous difference when you come to a different training process. Bike versus run, your approach to those training sessions is going to be vastly different.
You have to do the right work, the right work works. Just doing work or a random approach you are not going to get anywhere near the results you would. You are going to train a lot longer and have a lot more injuries and get frustrated and not enjoy the sport as much.
Brenton Ford: I love the analogy of the casserole in the oven. They are the ingredients that you are talking about using the analogy of the age, body composition, weight and gender and all those sorts of things. It is a really good way to think about it.
You talked a lot about the two primary fitness types. You keep it simple that there is power and stamina. To link it back to what we normally mention, your power is like your lactic tolerance and stamina is your endurance and long distance swims and things like that. Can you go into a bit more depth about power and stamina and how you incorporate those into your training?
Jeff Booher: There is a lot of different abilities out there that people talk about, your endurance your muscular endurance, your power, your explosive power, your static power, speed all these different words and when athletes start getting technical and start trying to train smart they start chasing a lot of different abilities. What I have found going back to the philosophy and my approach I don’t really consider that I have an approach of philosophy it is just what tends to emerge from what I see in the data. What kind of results are we getting? What I found through literally thousands of training cycles there are really two things that athletes need to work on; two things fitness wise after you use mechanics and technique, so you need to have proper swim form run mechanics. After you learn that it is threshold power and stamina. Threshold power is an all out effort for approximately 1 hour; most people are comfortable or familiar with that definition. Stamina is just intensity and duration for longer than an hour. That is what an athlete is going to train for that is race specific. An athlete training for an Olympic race is going to train at or near threshold is race pace. Especially for sprint over that threshold but any of the longer distances the athlete’s ability is going to be limited by the threshold power. If you think of a tent being your overall fitness the longest tent pole if the threshold power. You stamina ability or intensity can never be more than your threshold. So the objective is to reach as much of your threshold for the longest amount of time possible. We know what some of those numbers are; for example bike intensity on a full iron race is going to range from 67% or threshold to 85% of threshold. That difference is how long it takes that athlete to finish the bike, so the longer the bike the lower threshold or the lower % of their threshold they are going to be able to maintain because it is a longer duration. Focusing an athlete on increasing that threshold that is the ceiling from which they begin to start to develop their stamina.
Another thing to think about with both of these is that you cannot significantly develop both of them at the same time. It is either one or the other, if you are developing stamina it is a whole lot of time to build it because it is a longer duration than the single sessions that you do during the week. It takes most of your energy most of your capacity to improve and your recovery are recovering from these long sessions. When you are already carrying a very high training load you don’t have as much energy and recovering capacity to develop your threshold very much. Pro’s obviously have more ability to do that but they are performing the races much quicker; their races are 8-8.5hour race days or 4 hour race days for halves. They are not the same as most age groupers. So when age groupers are approaching these abilities they should really focus on one or the other and do one as best they can. With stamina that is something that you want to train and develop that ability when you need it. Basically you need it leading up to your race; you don’t need that ability to ride at x% of your threshold for 5-6 hours you don’t need that in December unless you are racing in January/February. It is being smart about what you are developing during what phase of the season.
Building power is always the first thing that you do. Here is a thing to remember, fast before far or strong before long. Either one of those you build that power first and then you work to extend that at your race distance intensity level, whether the swim, bike or run. I had an athlete who actually got into Kona via the lottery, he wasn’t working with me at the time he knew me, we chatted and he wasn’t even training that much. On April 10th three years ago I get this email… “is Jeff I am going to have to start training here…’ he had exactly 6 months to get ready for Kona a very difficult course. He had not been training at all; he had not run a marathon before so we had 6 months. The initial an athlete would think I need to start learning how to go for 15-17 hours. What we talked about I told him to start by training for a shorter race, you are a good athlete lets train for a 13 hour race. I asked him what his times were, what’s your worst time? What is the time you would take and be satisfied with? He said 17 hours I just want to finish. What is your conservative what do you think you will get timed he said 15 hours. I said what is your jumping up and down doing back flips time? He said 13 hours. So let’s train for a 13 hour ironman. We started working for the first several months in the water it was nothing but drills. This guy went from a 15.15 800m swim to an 11.55 in about two months. So it shortened by almost 20-30 minutes his swim time. He had learned to ride his bike in his 30’s he was an adult who learned to ride the bike. Same with that skill to increase his threshold so then about 4-5 months out his threshold and power of speed was so good he was able to race a lot better so on race day he actually finished in 13.22 but he had a flat on the bike had to carry his bike for 45 minutes. He beat his jump up and down goal by almost 20 minutes with the approach of building power first and then extending that for the duration that you need to finish whatever race you are racing for.
Brenton Ford: That’s what I find for swimmers that might be starting out and are not too confident with the swim. We get a very similar result with the mastering freestyle program. Just going through drills and improving the stroke and building the power and then you can build on the fitness after that. That is awesome.
Lets talk about race execution, we have talked a lot about training and how important that is leading into races but what specifically do you teach athletes in terms of race execution and how does it all tie in together?
Jeff Booher: One of the biggest mistakes that athletes make is not having the plan basically. They are just guessing it and winging it trying to figure out what they should do. Failure to meet race day expectations is never a training issue. Athletes very rarely tie training data to their race expectations but they are very quick to have a failed expectation and immediately go back I need to do this differently in training, I need more long runs or I need more speed work. They drive the connection from race result backwards when they didn’t start with building their race execution plan based on their training results. Race day, there are times when you have a great day or a horrible day that happens but by and large racing should not reveal your fitness. You should already know what you fitness level is from your training data. You should be able to predict race results and pacing and come up with a very specific race strategy, we call that race execution or race X. Going into a race you know exactly what your pace is going to do. A lot of athletes will try and hone that over many races over time. Here is what I tried to do in this race and then three months later a different race. The thing that happens may be that the strategy is the same but the way they quantify their training and use their training data isn’t consistent or are different. At a minimum you are older, probably a little heavier every year so things change and being able to tie that training data specifically to your race execution. I mentioned before we do that with Tridot coming up with those based on your functional threshold tests, your long single sessions we do race rehearsals which a lot of people do; but making those very specific on a specific percent of your threshold over that duration. All of the workloads your longer rides that you have done previously set you up for that and you are doing long rides for example that are not just steady state rides but have very specific intervals in them that are at higher levels. Maybe 20 minutes at threshold followed immediately by 15-30 in or at race pace zone. It is improving your ability to recover while you are still working hard and then you are able to take those performances and tie them directly to a race rehearsal and then those race rehearsals through to your race day.
Another big thing is the off the bike run ability a lot of athletes struggle with that. Anyone that is listening go out and search for it, look for any comparison on off the bike run abilities to your stand alone run abilities. If I run a three or five hour marathon what should my off the bike ability be? That data out there doesn’t exist anywhere, you find a couple of people mention it and say it is about 20% or 20 minutes slower off the bike than stand alone but that is for elite runners, that doesn’t apply to people that are much slower. Think of all the things that impact that when you are trying to develop that. Your run ability matters for sure, it is a 3-5 hour marathon but so does how long you have been on the bike. If you are starting the run at the 12 hour mark with the same run ability as someone who starting at the 9 hour mark that is a huge difference. Your weight makes a difference over time; a 200 pound person running a 3.30 marathon standalone is not going to run just 20 minutes slower at the end of a 12-15 hour day. All of those things matter greatly and without data and a whole bunch of people to compare to you just can’t ride with those. Data is important but then so is going into each race and connecting training data and having realistic training based expectations that are set prior to racing and re-visiting those immediately after the race. Before you attribute random execution plans to your training and trying to modify your training.
Brenton Ford: That’s right and this is something that I have found. As an adult athlete your racing results shouldn’t come as a surprise it should be an expected outcome from the training that you have been doing. If you look at the top swimmers, let’s say the pool swimmers you have someone training for 100m freestyle. They will mostly be training for the second 50m and they want to go 56 for example; they might need to come home in a 28.5 for that second lap. When you are doing back end speed sets in training the aim is to be able to hit 28.5 in training once you have put in all that work. When it comes to race day the only reason that you don’t hit that expected time is if you are having a bad day or haven’t tapered right; your race results should be an expected outcome as a result of your training. That’s what you’re talking about and I think which I think is the right approach because if you are winging it and not sure what time you are going to do it is because you haven’t been testing or tracking the right things in training.
I have asked for something that you can provide for our triathletes that listen to the podcast. You have kindly given away free training for the triathletes who are interested in this stuff. Let’s say someone is training for an ironman or a half ironman or an Olympic distance race and they have a couple of months to build up to it; if they are interested then you are offering some free training. Can you tell us a bit more about that?
Jeff Booher: Its not exactly free training, we are looking for very specific people and asking for your feedback. Called the Tridot free for feedback program. In our normal training we get all the training data all that stuff we need but we are looking for some more subjective, mental understanding; a bunch of additional information feedback. What we are offering is for athletes who want to participate in that program to let us know and we are looking for athletes who have at least one season’s triathlon experience who have done at least one triathlon obviously. They plan to compete in one in the following year/next ten months, at least an Olympic or longer Olympic half iron or full iron and that they are getting ready to start training in the next couple of weeks (2-3 weeks) If they are able to meet those criteria and give us their feedback we would love to give them some free training. We have a website page setup just for you guys where you can give us your name, email; I am not sure what is one the page, but give us your email and it will us all the information on how the feedback works and what it is. Those qualifications are pretty basic but we want legit people that are serious about performance serious about training smart using their time effectively and avoiding injury. If they can give us that additional feedback it helps us improve what we are offering serve our athletes better. We have done this a couple of times before and got some incredible feedback. The response was just outstanding from the athletes and we learned so much too so we are happy to extend that to your athletes Brent.
Brenton Ford: Awesome, thank-you for that. So if you are a triathlete training for any Olympic distance or over and you are looking to start shortly. For example we have the Melbourne Ironman happening in a couple of week’s time and there are going to be quite a number of athletes who will register the next day for next day Melbourne Ironman. If that is you and you are looking to get some very specific and personalised training then this is something that is definitely worth checking out and considering.
Thank you Jeff I appreciate it.
You mentioned it was limited to the first 200 athletes. I know it is very time and energy intensive for you because you are working with coaches it is not just something that they can access online. You actually have coaches working with the athletes that are interested in this.
Jeff Booher: Right we have a team of coaches, so we design all the programs, work with the coaches, the coach’s work with the athletes based on whatever your preference is for how much interaction is you want with your coach. We are limiting it to 200 athletes so the first that qualify, it might take a few days to verify everything and finalise the group after you get the information. Do you want me to go ahead and give that web URL? That is just Tridot.com/effortlessswimming you will see the information right there. As soon as we get your information we will shoot you an email with all of the details which should make things crystal clear and you understand how the program works and get you that free training and look forward to getting your feedback.
Brenton Ford: Good stuff. For those that are listening on their ipods or the their iphones and not on the computer I will provide a link on our effortlessswimming.com website or you can go to swimmingpodcasts.com and you will be able to see the link to this interview there and you can access the offer there.
Jeff thank you very much where can people find you if they want to find out more about what we have talked about and where they can find Tridot?
Jeff Booher: Tridot.com is the best place. We talk about the science we have a lot of athlete testimonials with a description of how it came to be, what it looks like and what the science is behind it and methodology.
Brenton Ford: Good stuff, tridot.com Jeff thank-you very much for joining us on the podcast I know that for the triathletes who are training for those Olympic distance or longer events or even swimmers who are thinking about what their training plan should look like I think this information covers more than just triathlons. Thanks again Jeff this is excellent information.
Jeff Booher: Thank you for having me Brent.
In an effort to further improve its patents-pending triathlon training system, TriDot is conducting a “TriDot Free for Feedback Program” available to Effortless Swimming athletes who qualify.
For program qualification criteria and details, please visit the URL below:
TriDot will be accepting fewer than 200 athletes who meet the requirements…on a first-come basis.